Nitrous and c&l ?

[gtstang03]

Hello, well i have a c&l 85mm intake kit with maf, and the tube. I have not installed this yet. I will be next weekend. I am also getting ready to buy a nx nitrous wet kit with all the goodeis .
I have heard that the Mas will lean out the car, and that is what makes it give it power. Now i want to spray a 100 shot. Will i lean way out and have any problems. I have no place close to do a tune. Should i sell the kit and get another intake setup.
Any information will be helpful
Thanks in advance
David

[sleeper]

i wouldn't use a c&l maf. The only way to get the transfer function right is to put it on a dyno and screw around with it.

[Nitro Lew]

It would be fine if you use the mass air its not going to make that much of a difference . The NX kits all run rich anyway . I would get a tune on a dyno its allways better to be safethen sorry . I gained a lot with the nitrous after the tune and its a lot safer :thumb:


Lew

[gtstang03]

Well getting a tune around here is hard. I live up in northern california. But untill i do go get a tune you think i will be ok? I planning on running the 100 shot wet nx. With gen x2 upgrade, window switch, and every other little accesorie. Also what plugs should i run. Should i go 2 steps colder or just one.
THis car is a daily driver as well
Thanks for all your help
David

[sleeper]

you should be okay with the nitrous. But i wouldn't use the c&l MAF, er, rather your stock MAF with the c&l housing. I wouldn't use a c&l MAF if someone gave it to me, nitrous or not.

[Nitro Lew]

I think you will be fine just start out with the 50 hp shot then check the plugs they will tell you whats going on ! You should never start out with the biggest shot work your way up . As far as plugs go dont use the stock platnum plugs ! I use NGK TR 6's gapped at 35 thay are one step colder and work good in my car . I had two step colder plugs in and I didnt like the way the car ran N/A . If you have any trouble with the install just PM me its realy easy !


Lew

[gtstang03]

Great I will be installing the kit this weekend. The only question i have is the fpss. I don't have a fuel pressure gauge yet Planning on getting one soon. But how do i know where to set it at.
Any other tips for the install.
Thanks for you help
david

[Nitro Lew]

Get a fuel pressure gauge ! The fuel pressure safety switch is set when you by it at 35 psi I would leave it there and try it . As far as the install just take your time and read the instructions befor you start and dont use any pipe tape on the threads us Teflon Paste .

Lew

[Joe Lynch]

The FPSS switch comes preset at 35 psi. You will probably cycle on and off at 35, so back out the adjustment 2 turns with an Allen wrench and try it again. Follow Nitro Lew's advice.

I have a C&L but I also have a MAFterburner to tune it with.

Joe

[Shibby]

Most everyone thinks that the C&L would be fine, but there was at least one person that said not to...

Just wondering how the C&L would alter the air/fuel via the ecu when you use the same electronics???

I have the C&L on my car and it runs fine on the bottle...

[gtstang03]

Thats what i was wondering how it affects so much when it is the stock electironics?

[sleeper]

That's the problem, is that it takes the stock electronics and uses a different meter body. It completely throws of the transfer function, because the stock electronics are designed to work with the stock meter body.

The reason a C&L is so bad is BECAUSE it uses the stock electronics. There is such a wide variety of stock MAF's that you can replace with a C&L, and every one of those combinations is going to give you a different transfer function. Add to that the variability in the manufacturing process for the C&L, and you have a nightmare. Crap, crap, crap. Like i said, i wouldn't use one if you gave it to me.

You can tune around a C&L, but you have to experimentally determine the transfer function. Which would mean many more pulls and much more tweaking to get it right. Then you have what, a 2 hp gain? Not worth it. Stay away. There is no reason to replace the MAF anyway, unless you're pegging it. And if you're pegging it, you want to get a bigger Ford MAF or a Pro-M, not a C&L.

[Joe Lynch]

You can make a C&L work just fine. The stock meter and tune will run rich at the high end of the rpm band, at least on a Cobra. It has to be tuned to make best power, anyway, just like the C&L.

The NX kit has two fuel jets in it for the 100 shot. Just use the larger of the two.

Joe

[BLACK 4.6 BEAST]

I ran my car with my c&l meter through about 5 or 6 15lb botltes of nitrous with no proplems!