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MTCFORUM
02-13-2002, 09:50 PM
OK, with all the chip discussion let me add the real reasons why this paticular 1997 program is bad.

As I have explained before there are two parts the EEC software, the operating system and the calibration. You can different EEC catch codes on the same OS and the chips will interchange. Dennis will verify this.

Well, in 1997 that year Mark was very unique form a software standpoint, a milestone actually.

There were several new features that were added to the software, I'll name some of them now.

The rev limiter and speed limters were no longer hit a certain entry criteria and shut off injectors. They were changed to "soft" limiters that pulled timing, added fuel, shut off only the needed injectors to maintain speed.
The EEC calculated the temperature of the catalysts and if the EEC calculated too high of a temp, it would start adding fuel to cool it off.
It was the first Ford car with all speed traction control. This reduced engine torque and/or manipulated the transmission shifting to lower torque to the wheels.
It was the first car with a tach that was given it's signal by the EEC rather than a hardware from the ignition module.
It was the first Ford car with coil on plug ignition system.
It was the first car with a digital MLPS (now called TRS) rather than a resister wiper.
The majority of the info on the dash was now boradcast accrossed data lines rather than hard wires. There is actually a trans overtemp warning in the message center if the motor gets too hot.

There are other things as well, but there are just some highlights. Now, why is this all important?

Like any large change to an OS, there were errors. Some of these errors made it into the first batch of production '97s, like the BLX3 code. For example, you know that if you put your foot to WOT during crank, the EEC shut off the injectors as a way to clean a flooded engine out. Well, try this on a BLX3, the car will start, that's bad. So, with the errors that made the start of production, there are some weird things that happen when you put a chip on and "re-direct" the software to somewhere else.

jerry

MTCFORUM
02-13-2002, 09:51 PM
Jerry, I have a code of RKK3 and my car build date is 8/26/96 for my 1997 LSC, is that any good? And is it compatible with any other codes. I am going to sell your chip after you tune my EEC.
Will the ECC reflash correct some of the problems that you mention on the early 97?

Thanks
Steve

MTCFORUM
02-13-2002, 09:52 PM
Well that's the same OS as BLX3. I can reflash your car to make it the newer OS. It's a little more work. One of the things I forgot to mention is that the '97 Mark is the first one with the EEC interactive Passive Anti Theft System, or PATS. What happens is that your key sends a code to the pats module. The EEC is then learned the keycode. When you put the key in, the EEC compares whats in it's memory to the key you stuck in. If they agree, it's cool and your car starts. If not, your walking.

So, short of relearning the keys, what I normally do is dump the file out of your EEC, keep the same OS and the key codes are remembered. But, to upgrade to the new OS, I have to reflash your EEC with a differnet tool first, with the new OS. Then dump the file and start making changes. I can do this, no problem.

jerry

MTCFORUM
03-01-2002, 09:55 AM
Jerry,
What would you suggest for those of us that have the BLX3? Shoud we just leave it alone with no mods, stay away from any 'fancy' mods, look in a salvage yard for a EEC with a different code, or ??. Mine is in an early '97 Mark base model.
thx
rich

MTCFORUM
03-05-2002, 12:02 PM
Jerry,
My girlfriend just purchased a 93 Mark VIII,
it has the blx3 code on the Computer.
Is this the same problem with the 97 blx3 code... or was it just a 97 issue.

I've often heard that the 93's had a "hotter" program {due to first year release}
It's been my experience "in the streets" that the 93's are a considerable amount quicker .2-.3 In the 1/4.

This is only based on my very limited experience with two different 93's.
Nightsky's is one..14.4 with exhaust and tranny mods.

and now My GF's car. 14.67 BONE STOCK.. NO MODS..NO NADA.

It took me close to 600 dollars worth of LMS parts {double cringes}and 400 in exhaust in order to run 14.5's.
I dont like the fact that "she's running" nearly as good as I with a 100% stock car. GOD FORBID if she decides to put exhaust on that BEAST!
{OH WOE IS MEEEE}

Is her blx3 box compatible with your "first gen" chip?

MTCFORUM
03-08-2002, 10:22 AM
Well, first off, you need to look under the hood of her car and see if there is a sticker saying it was reflashed. If there is, then it's no longer a BLX3.

But, in a nutshell, all of the 97 Marks have a marginal EEC software that is riddled with problems. This does not mean that it cannot be made to work well, but there are just issues to work around.

On the '93 having a hotter program, I really doubt that. The way the software works is totally different between 95 and prior and 96 and newer. A car is never made "hotter", it is made to meet the requirements that are set down for that car. Now, it may be true that the older cars had less stringent requirements than the newer ones, meaning that the spark and/or fuel calibration may be different allowing one to generate more power than the other. This is another topic that I'll make a post on one day soon.

The big "drawback" to the GenII's is the intake is typically not as good as the Gen1 intake. The intake was made to reduce cost, and you get what you pay for. But, I have worked on GenII's that made 250 RWHP, which is excellent for a basically stock car with bolt ons.

jerry

MTCFORUM
03-08-2002, 12:09 PM
Thanks Jerry!
that all makes perfect sense.

Kindest Regards

MTCFORUM
03-13-2002, 04:15 PM
I have the BTC0 in my 98 LSC what can you do for that PCM?

I am seriously considering the heads and intake etc with a nice bottom end upgrade..

I do want another blower, after talking with Kenne Bell 2 weeks ago I think the launch with a roots type blower will make for a quick launch and a nice low ET.

What do I need to do to be able to run the 42# injectors, can I use them without the blower or should I leave them out until ready for boost world?

MTCFORUM
03-13-2002, 05:53 PM
I can do anything with a '98 Mark, in fact any Mark for that matter. You bigger problem is making it fit under the hood.

jerry

MTCFORUM
03-18-2002, 10:09 PM
I have a '97 Mark VIII, but i don't know what code it is yet. I want to get a bigger mass air and a dyno tune or a chip. Can you make a chip work on a '97 that isn't an early code, or would a dyno tune be the way to go anyway? And, do you plan on doing any dyno tuning in the Detroit area, or even within like a 4-5 hour drive, later this spring or in the summer?

dave

MTCFORUM
03-19-2002, 06:43 PM
I live in the Detroit area, I'm there all the time (except for now, I'm in AZ, then Utah then Las Vegas).

jerry

MTCFORUM
03-31-2002, 10:48 AM
So on my 97 BLX3 will you do a reflash to correct the OS and then a chip to tune it? I have a flip chip so I guess I have the potential for 3 different programs? After a reflash will I still be able to take the car to the dealer for the diagnosis if I have too? Thanks and see you on Friday.

Boozer

MTCFORUM
03-31-2002, 02:19 PM
Yes, I will update your car to the lastest OS and then start from there.

jerry

MTCFORUM
05-07-2002, 06:15 PM
Jerry, someone posted that were heading back to Detroit. When would it be possible for you to tune my car? Where do you do it around here, and how much? shoot me an email at davejhogan@hotmail.com.

Thanks

MTCFORUM
05-08-2002, 09:05 AM
Is an otherwise stock 2nd Gen Mark with a J-tune still slower than a stock 93? If so is it because of the intake? Weight?

-Joel.

MTCFORUM
05-13-2002, 12:19 AM
I don't think it would be slower. My 97 and my 94 were neck and neck up to the 1-2 shift when i raced them, then the 94 jumped ahead. I think with a good shift it would be about even.